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By the late '80s, I was already giving up on rap music.

We used to talk about wanting to get some money, but that's when hip-hop was based on your dreams and your fantasy. The whole thing now is the dreams and fantasies were achieved, and you don't want to make it the focal point. You can't keep beating that dead horse.

With rap, it's a funny thing. You can say things, and people can take 'em the way they wanna take 'em.

I made the decision that I was going to make rap music in, like, fourth grade, so it's been something I was saying for a long time.

That was the greatest trick in music that people ever pulled off, to convince artists that you can't be an artist and make money. I think the people that were making the millions said that. It was almost shameful, especially in rock n' roll.

I kind of remember a friend of mine saying, like, you guys should make a rap record. You know, because we were already making punk records. We were a punk band. And I kind of thought, that's crazy.

I couldn't do rap. I was trying. I don't know how. I'm not good enough to know.

I've always been rapping before I was making money off of it. Before I made a profit, I had always been rapping.