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The arc of technology is in the direction of unbreakable encryption, and no laws are going to get in the way of that reality.

We have some material on spying by a major government on the tech industry. Industrial espionage.

Well, take the evolution of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. It began as hackers' rights. Then it became general civil liberties of everybody - government stay away.

Cryptography is the essential building block of independence for organisations on the Internet, just like armies are the essential building blocks of states, because otherwise one state just takes over another.

There's a long history of private-company cooperation with the NSA that dates back to at least the 1970s.

Everyone is a proponent of strong encryption.

The problem is that there are very few technologies that essentially haven't changed for 60, 70 years.

I examined a lot of CIA declassified UFO files, which are fascinating, because there was a huge UFO craze going on in America. There still is today, but it certainly started in '47. And by the '50s, it was in full force.

It is a fairly open secret that almost all systems can be hacked, somehow. It is a less spoken of secret that such hacking has actually gone quite mainstream.

There are some classified documents there that we received from the CIA. Our arrangement with the CIA was that we could by mutual agreement declassify these documents, but we had no authority to unilaterally declassify them.