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The caliber of play suffered and attendance declined year by year. Interest in college football was exploding, and there was this new game called basketball.

I got into plays in high school then I ended up going to college for it.

Oklahoma's always been good to me.

I graduated with a class of 35 people. We had basically just enough people to actually have a play.

I was told in high school that the last game during your senior year stays with you forever, which is true.

For my undergraduate work, I went to Oklahoma State University and graduated from there in 1977.

In Tulsa, it was sports or nothing.

I was set to go to Oregon to play college baseball and football.

I played outfield in high school a little bit.

I had too much respect for the game to leave it behind or to make it my second or third sport in college.