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I never want to play a show where it feels overly programmed, processed, and all that. For anybody that comes to one of our shows, the goal for me is to make sure that's their show. That nobody else is going to see that show ever again. You know what I mean? I try to make it different every day.

Nobody wants to watch perfection.

I'm very obsessed with not being perfect.

You can't be perfect at everything.

There's something in human nature, the trying-to-get-on-with-it quality of people, the struggle to maintain or keep the show going can be exhausting.

Oftentimes the shows that don't work help you get it right.

I love shows about creating and cooking. Sometimes they're so extraordinary, you end up setting yourself to fail.

It doesn't need to be a No 1 show, it just needs to be good.

If your ratings are high and there's money being made, you're allowed to be a perfectionist in television.